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[–]ReallyHawkward 191 points192 points  (25 children)

I think it's not that Eminem has features. He always has. But there is usually a prominent rapper thrown in there on a song or 2 at least, to balance out the singers. All these features are singers. There is no one track that hip hop heads look at as a "this is going to be a classic lyrical track" no Kendrick, no big sean, no dre or 50 or D12... Its just not like Eminem to not have at least one song that features another prominent rap artist.

[–]jcb088 84 points85 points  (14 children)

Agreed. One of the fun bits of hip hop is seeing 2 (or more) artists work with the same vibe/flow/beat. If the work alongside one another, their individuals flows stick out more because they don't have a differing beat.

Remember "Renegade" with J? Or "Forever" with Kanye, Drake, and Lil Wayne? Drips with Obie Trice? Patiently Waiting with 50? There are just so many examples of tracks that benefit from the mix.

I think the only song I really liked where he mixed with a singer was "I Need A Doctor" which was still 2 rappers and a vocal artist! That song was really charged, overall.

Edit: Oooh! Remember "We all die someday" with LLoyd and 50? Good times.

[–]KriosDaNarwal 13 points14 points  (2 children)

Love the Way you lie was a good mix with him and Rihanna imo. Monster too

[–]TheCourtPeach 10 points11 points  (0 children)

Just a theory but based on what he said in Walk on Water maybe he's trying to show how good he can be by himself. Try to prove to fans or even himself that he doesn't need to rely on others to sell albums and that he hasn't lost the touch he had so long ago.

[–]Maciek300 2 points3 points  (3 children)

All these features are singers

What about Phresher and 2 Chainz verses?

[–]ReallyHawkward 3 points4 points  (2 children)

2 chainz verse isnt on the album. Phresher isnt a prominent rap artist. Disc 2 has Jay Z, 50 Redman...

[–]GravityBE 4 points5 points  (1 child)

Disc 2?!? Just googled a bit, seems to be fake

[–]CheckoTP 1652 points1653 points  (197 children)

I would be interested in adding sales data to this. Any correlation between how well an album sells to what type of songs are on that album?

[–]titaniumtoaster 603 points604 points  (157 children)

Not only that but also reviews.

[–]tashtrac 494 points495 points  (154 children)

Data available at metacritic: (score / user score):

  • The Marshall Mathers LP: (78/9.0)
  • The Eminem Show: (75/9.0)
  • Encore: (64/7.2)
  • Relapse: (59/7.8)
  • Recovery: (63/8.1)
  • The Marshall Mathers LP 2 : (72/8.3)

The data doesn't seem to really correlate with the charts.

[–]Abipolarbears 152 points153 points  (71 children)

The Eminem Show and Marshall Mathers LP are very similar in structure, but were of a similar time

[–]GT86_ATX_09 86 points87 points  (10 children)

This comment confused me. Is one of those similar's supposed to be different?

[–]bscallerreturns 197 points198 points  (7 children)

Thanks. The sentence makes no sense, but I don’t understand it

[–]soapysurprise 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Maybe it was supposed to be simpler time instead if similar?

[–]daimposter 28 points29 points  (57 children)

Early releases almost always do better

[–]SteezeWhiz 144 points145 points  (56 children)

Especially when the music is better

[–]TimothyGonzalez 92 points93 points  (51 children)

Although I have to say I listened to a more recent song by Eminem not too long ago, fully expecting the worst poppy trash, and it turned out to be a heartbreakingly beautiful song about Eminem coming to terms with his relationship with his mother, accepting her as she is although not necessarily forgiving her for her wrongdoings and it described so perfectly how I relate to my mother I don't think I have ever been so touched by a song. The video is fucking heartbreaking too.

[–]bl00is 49 points50 points  (4 children)

Headlights. My favorite from that album. So good!!

[–]sirpantless 17 points18 points  (0 children)

God i love this song. The power behind it is amazing!

[–]LittleRedditAddict 10 points11 points  (1 child)

Well I didn't expect to cry my eyes out this morning but that's how it goes sometimes. Thanks for the reference.

[–]Sooperballz 17 points18 points  (1 child)

I had a similar relationship with my mother and just days before this album released she passed due to a lifetime of pill and alcohol abuse. I had not spoken with her for ten years. I’ve only listened to the song once on the day I purchased the album and have avoided it ever since. Hits way to close to home.

[–]TimothyGonzalez 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Jup, once and never again for me as well. Legit made me cry

[–]debaser11 23 points24 points  (29 children)

Damn, that sounds much more mature than the stuff about stealing her drugs or raping her that I'm more familiar with.

[–]Whiteowl8138 16 points17 points  (27 children)

I just want one more album of Slim Shady. Then you can throw him out and never use him again. I would like to see how obnoxious he can be with how talented he is now.

[–]SquirrelGang 20 points21 points  (7 children)

That's what relapse was. Slim shady unleashed for a whole album

[–]Brsijraz 2 points3 points  (3 children)

That was relapse and it was terrible

[–]TimothyGonzalez 14 points15 points  (0 children)

Headlights, another guy here just reminded me

[–]LukeRipa 2 points3 points  (0 children)

The video was made by none other than Spike Lee.

[–]kfijatass 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Its less structure, more about rap culture and approach to rap at the time.

[–]INTELDracula 29 points30 points  (14 children)

Where Slim Shady LP

[–]tashtrac 19 points20 points  (0 children)

I don't know but not on metacritic.

[–]IAMA_KEVIN 15 points16 points  (8 children)

You can't see it because it's the size of a peanut.

[–]Bradp13 7 points8 points  (7 children)

You know else is bad for squirrels? Ecstasy, it's the worst drug in the world.

[–]AC5L4T3R 38 points39 points  (20 children)

Relapse is the lowest scoring but for me I'd put it third behind MMLP and SSLP imho. Listen to "Stay Wide Awake" - It's one of the best Eminem songs he's ever written lyrically.

[–]I_choose_magikarp 49 points50 points  (8 children)

The whole album, besides the obligatory "funny" singles (We Made You/Crack a Bottle), is a beautifully dark and lyrically twisted concept album about the darkest sides of humanity (serial killers, death, child abuse) and how it mirrors his own descent into addiction and depression. I adore the album. No idea why it doesn't get the love it deserves.

[–]adamsandleryabish 19 points20 points  (3 children)

it doesn’t get love because of his use of accents on the songs which makes it really hard to listen to

[–]Sw429 3 points4 points  (1 child)

If I recall correctly, didn't he even mention that was a mistake later?

[–]recovering-juggalo 10 points11 points  (1 child)

I mean he even acknowledges that it wasn't his best work.

[–]Choccybizzle 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Yup, it’s part of the reason Recovery came along so quickly afterwards.

[–]SoDangSlippery 12 points13 points  (2 children)

I like almost everything about this album...especially the production. I have it even higher in my list, and if I want to listen to some Shady this is what I will play. That line; I lose a pill and I'm recklessly wrecking the house, that was supposed to be breakfast where the heck is it now. Shhiiiiiiiitt

[–]nsadrone 3 points4 points  (1 child)

It really was spot on for those people who’ve lived or currently live a dark life, especially if it surrounds addiction.

[–]SoDangSlippery 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Agreed. A dark package wrapped in the amusement of vintage Em

[–]mikeyjojo 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Cult classic for sure.

[–]W0keupolder 19 points20 points  (25 children)

As a fan it doesn't correlate there either. I'd say Recovery was his best received, fan-wise*, in the last decade or so. MMLP still #1 overall.

**Trying to put my personal bias aside.

[–]KriosDaNarwal 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Sslp is my favorite. He's just ill af in almost every track

[–]Bopnop 10 points11 points  (6 children)

Recovery definitely isn't his best received fan wise...mmlp2 was way better. Recovery is maybe better received by newer fans who like the poppier eminem

[–]alansdaman 4 points5 points  (4 children)

Thank you mmlp2 is great and rap god is just like the title says nobody touches that even speedom just does have the same flow and lyrical quality he does what nobody can do.

[–]KriosDaNarwal 5 points6 points  (3 children)

I'm I've been an Eminem fan for quite a few years and I think Mmlp2 is a hot mess. Rap God and berserk are the only 2 songs there I consider good and rap good far surpasses the mere label of good while berserk barely meets it. It just depends on the flavor of Eminem(lol) that you like, not how long you've been a fan.

[–]shafe4141 14 points15 points  (16 children)

MMLP still my all time favorite. Always will be. But Recovery is a very close second. Recovery was just...a tighter album if that makes sense. He seemed more into it.

[–]LikeMy5thAccount 33 points34 points  (11 children)

Recovery is by far his worst album to me and I know music is subjective blah blah blah but I legitimately cannot understand how someone can have the MMLP as their favorite Eminem album and have the second be Recovery over SSLP or The Eminem Show.

[–]EddieAnderson 7 points8 points  (2 children)

I don't know if I'd put it at #2, but I do think Recovery is unfairly panned. It feels like a much more cohesive and consistent album than anything he's put out since Encore.

That being said, don't think it has any great songs on it, but I'd rather have an album that I can listen to than a collection of singles with some crap songs intertwined, which is what it feels like Em has been dropping in the last decade.

[–]Pollia 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Going Through Changes is one of Eminems best songs ever and I will fight someone over it.

It's a brutally uncompromising look into a man's slide into attempted suicide. It's powerful in a way you don't normally see because it's about weakness, full blown weakness with no compromise.

[–]talkativeturtle 12 points13 points  (3 children)

It doesn't correlate because reviewers don't know what the fuck they're talking about.

[–]tashtrac 10 points11 points  (1 child)

User scores also don't correlate. So I assume nobody knows what they enjoy and what they don't?

[–]TheBold 13 points14 points  (0 children)

Can confirm.

Source: am somebody. Don’t know what I enjoy in life.

[–]CheckoTP 28 points29 points  (0 children)

Yeah, good idea.

[–]Krunklock 149 points150 points  (16 children)

No one is selling 10 million physical copies of an album anymore. That would just show the data as Eminem selling more albums when he has less 'hooks' or other artists on his album...when in reality, it's just how the music industry is now.

[–]badchad65 78 points79 points  (7 children)

Yup. The slim shady LP came out in 1999. Even CD burners were uncommon at that time.

[–]dubnessofp 36 points37 points  (0 children)

For sure. Although the demo that had them was square in his fan base. I remember using Napster on my buddy's mom's computer to download that album and burn it. It took forever on that shitty dial up.

Granted, I also bought a physical copy of the album (and most that I wanted). It certainly wasn't efficient enough to not buy albums yet

[–]kornonthepob 8 points9 points  (0 children)

I first started pirating music specifically to hear his diss tracks.

[–]FilipMcNair 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Can confirm, had a CD burner. Burnt this one for at least 20 people easily.

[–]AnyDogWillSuffice 10 points11 points  (0 children)

Sales were a decent metric before streaming, but now we'd have to go by plays/views (if a song also has a YouTube release).

The tricky part is bridging the gap so these two periods can be compared. I wonder if anyone has done any work on that...

[–]theonlydjorkaeff1OC: 6 71 points72 points  (0 children)

im working on this. stay tuned :)

[–]13Witnesses 53 points54 points  (12 children)

Sales are hard to compare with how things were then and how they are now. I can listen to his whole album for free on spotify or whatever, or if I have a monthly subscription. I don't necessarily need to buy the album. Also some people may buy one or two songs and not the entire album. Back then it was all or nothing. So I'm not sure how one woulld adjust for that in order to get comparable data.

[–]wreckfish 17 points18 points  (10 children)

there a special formulas and technical standards in place to include streaming and single downloads into album sales charts. record labels rely on that data.

[–]KrazyKukumber 12 points13 points  (9 children)

The metrics you're referring to allow the record label to make comparisons about artists within the same era, but they do not allow for effectively comparing an artist to themselves in a different era (much less an artist in one era to a different artist in a different era).

[–]13Witnesses 2 points3 points  (7 children)

In sure there are a ton of different factors like social ones to consider along with technological ones.

It would be interesting to see with someone like Eminem because he was helluva a lot more controversial back 15-17 years ago. Imagine an album like Marshall Mathers LP or Slim Shady LP with tracks like Kim, Kill you, Don't Give a Fack, Amityville, etc. dropping in today's society.

[–]TheManWhoWasNotShort 2 points3 points  (6 children)

Songs woth controversial lyrics and topics drop all the time. What made Eminem controversial was his personality and the fact that he called pretty much everyone who was a titan in the rap industry out when he burst onto the scene

[–]lolstaz 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I would say with an artist as monolithic as eminem after his break through with SSLP sales would probably be more correlated to marketing than anything else.

[–]Choco_Churro_Charlie 412 points413 points  (61 children)

Remember when he was in a feud with ICP?

Holy shit that's like Wayne Gretzky fighting with the guy who runs the Zamboni.

[–]colawithzerosugar 173 points174 points  (9 children)

And they ended the fued by going bowling, and bizzare from D12 even released a CD on ICP's label.

[–]AC5L4T3R 90 points91 points  (3 children)

Eminem wasn't there though which was a shame. The last verse Proof ever released was on Twiztid's How I Live.

On a side note, I always find it ironic that Proof once said on 40oz "I'm in the club to beef, you better murder me there" and then ended up getting shot in a club and dying.

[–]TheQueq 7 points8 points  (4 children)

I can totally picture Wayne Gretzky ending a feud with the Zamboni driver by going bowling.

[–]dewioffendu 3 points4 points  (3 children)

Gretkze was not a fighter. The Zambonii Guy had a chance.

[–]AaronMickDee 76 points77 points  (10 children)

ICP was a huge group in Detroit and Michigan at the time that Eminem was coming up. So feuding with them was a power play.

[–]lAMA_Bear_AMA 52 points53 points  (6 children)

Detroit AND Michigan?

[–]AaronMickDee 41 points42 points  (3 children)

Ehhhhh. Huge in Detroit, gaining popularity all over Michigan.

[–]bluewatermotion 7 points8 points  (1 child)

Correct answer. And if you listen to Eminem's early material, there is no doubt he's been influenced by them.

[–]SharpNewbie 2 points3 points  (0 children)

That was a bit after ICP's Great Milenko was released. The furor over that LP being released on Disney affiliate Hollywood Records was the best thing to happen to ICP, because it was what initially got them known nationwide, so they were trading diss tracks when ICP was pretty much well-known everywhere. IIRC it did start earlier over a concert flyer.

Source: Chicken Boy from PA who ate, breathed, and slept Detroit rap during that time.

[–]kornonthepob 32 points33 points  (38 children)

I mean to be fair he doesn't exactly beef with tough guys. ICP, limp Bizkit, his mum, his wife, a music journalist, Mariah Carey..... He's no 2pac. Which makes sense cause 2pac is dead.

[–]MaybeICanOneDay 76 points77 points  (6 children)

Dude he inherited 50's beef with murder inc.

[–]AnalShits 27 points28 points  (2 children)

Which is fine, ain't like either of them mind, they got soldiers on the front line...

[–]3lc4r0 3 points4 points  (1 child)

Willing to die for us, as soon as we give the orders

[–]CranjizzMcBasketball 4 points5 points  (0 children)

He's touched on everything but little boys

[–]kornonthepob 12 points13 points  (2 children)

Yeah that and the ja rule thing were legit, but he was dragged into both by g unit, and made it pretty clear 'if I get killed for this rap I got a million in cash that will get you back in hailies name'

[–]JohnnyRingo84 47 points48 points  (14 children)

Also to be fair he never really had a reason to. None of them messed with him. He's pretty universally respected by other rappers. Unless you count DMX I guess. They went back and forth briefly. No one smart is messing with Eminem on a diss track either. There aren't a lot of people that could actually give him a run for his money when it comes to that.

[–]labrat420 5 points6 points  (4 children)

Everlast, cage. You're leaving out people

[–]LimerickJim 255 points256 points  (54 children)

I always forget how funny Eminem is. He kind of has this persona of being an idiot when he does interviews but the skits and music videos are really funny sometimes. Also beyond his rage incidents he seems to be a good dude. Research: I remembered pop culture from the early 2000s

[–]AC5L4T3R 31 points32 points  (6 children)

Funnily enough (no pun intended) I was watching this video of some of his funny moments just yesterday: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tFHAX7Q6MPY&

[–]klezmai 7 points8 points  (4 children)

Wtf. What is advice number one?

[–]xtwistedxlovex 12 points13 points  (3 children)

[–]BeardsBearsBeers 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Until I watched the video I thought your comment was giving Letterman sass or something.

[–]able2svOC: 1[S] 321 points322 points  (19 children)

Here’s an infographic I created in InDesign/Illustrator with some data I collected from Eminem’s track lists.

If anyone is wondering about how I know the Revival features are hooks or choruses, I’m totally just estimating. There’s no way to tell until it is released, I briefly mention that in the top disclaimer.

Another thing worth noting is that hook and verse are not concrete terms so on several songs I had to personally make judgement calls. Definitely not perfect data, but clearly enough to indicate a trend.

If I have the time, I think I’d really enjoy making a more detailed/researched infographic (maybe a booklet) regarding Eminem’s career or discography. If anyone is interested or has ideas for that, PM me.

Otherwise, enjoy!

[–]ImHalfAwake 39 points40 points  (1 child)

Is there data source behind the infographic? Would like to pull this and build other vizzes.

[–]rabidbot 20 points21 points  (0 children)

Sounds like he just listened and created his own set.

[–]MakeYouAGif 11 points12 points  (0 children)

I thought revival was out and I got excited. Damn you op

[–]mmotte89 4 points5 points  (0 children)

The graph on the bottom left is lacking labeling on the y axis.

Is it amount? Or percentage? It seems like amount.

Percentage seems like a better point of comparison, as not all albums have the same amount of tracks, and Revival has a lot, so makes it seem disproportionately more weighted towards features.

Also, perhaps add a graph for Verse+Hook features for each album.

[–]simsiuss 11 points12 points  (6 children)

It would be interesting to see who he has collaborated with. He seems to do work with only a few artists but does a few songs with each, I can think of having 2 with Rihanna of the top of my head and having loads with dre, g unit and d12, though they probably all weren't on his albums.

[–]liaminho 15 points16 points  (3 children)

with rihanna there is 4 i know of, love the way you lie part 1, love the way you like part 2, the monster and numb, be interesting get all the d12 features and seperate them by artist, id say himself and royce prob have the most collabs

[–]fuqdisshite 10 points11 points  (2 children)

i would put Royce on a back burner as he is a partner now.

they beefed long enough that the post beef shit was fire when it dropped but calling it a solo w/Royce is bunk. they are partners on a certain level and that is the same reason no D12 albums are included in this data.

[–]navidshrimpo 23 points24 points  (6 children)

What am I looking at? What does the legend mean? What is a hook feature? Context?

[–]capppachino 42 points43 points  (5 children)

A hook feature is an artist singing your chorus for you

EDIT: since no one has explained the key yet:

A feature verse is another rapper/singer appearing on the song to sing a verse.

A solo track is a song that has no one featuring on it, AKA only Eminem's vocals.

A skit is a short track between songs that is comedic, not an actual song.

The infographic is showing what percentage of tracks from each of Eminem's albums can be placed in each of these categories to show how Eminem has collaborated with other artists over his solo career.

[–]MiddleRay 24 points25 points  (1 child)

Before streaming, skits were awesome....

You know why Dre's record was so successful? He's rappin' about big-screen T.V.s, blunts, 40's and bitches. You're rappin' about homosexuals and Vicadin.


[–]thebranbran 213 points214 points  (30 children)

Beautiful. I’m here hoping the album is a good listen. Not a fan of him moving in the hook feature direction over the past few albums, I somewhat understand why. His lyrics are still on point.

[–]makerofshoes 223 points224 points  (20 children)

Is a hook feature where another artist sings the chorus? Like Dido in Stan, or Beyonce in Walk on Water?

[–]untildeath 79 points80 points  (5 children)

Dido in Stan was superb (and thanks for defining hook for the rest of us :))

[–]wolff_cs 37 points38 points  (3 children)

also that song was sampled off of one of het songs, i'm pretty sure she didn't record just for that song. one of my all time favs though, I remember the first time I listened to it I could barely process the lyrics.

[–]wilsonwight 16 points17 points  (2 children)

That was her song... I believe released first.

[–]GourangaPlusPlus 10 points11 points  (1 child)

Weirdly enough this is one of those situations where 'Stan' was released a few weeks before the sample song 'thank you' was

[–]wilsonwight 15 points16 points  (0 children)

Just looked it up... the song first appears over the credits of a movie in 1998 and the entire album released a year later... Eminem sampled it while making the album as he thought it fit the song — she had no idea -he sent her a copy of the song prior to release asking if it was okay to use the sample - she signed off... the rest is history

Although it boosted sales, her career, everything for her...

I really like them both but I thought I remembered buying the CD earlier... ug, remember CD’s?

[–]Cal1gula 6 points7 points  (0 children)

The hook brings you back.

I ain't tellin you no lie.

[–]vordax 108 points109 points  (9 children)

Exactly that! Edit: spelling

[–]makerofshoes 53 points54 points  (8 children)

Cool, thanks.

I remember when I was a young teen and I would hear other artists in his songs, at the time I didn’t like it because I wanted to hear Eminem. Nowadays of course it’s nice to see different artists collaborate. He must be pretty good to work with since so many people are willing to work with him, even from out of his genre.

[–]MaesterPraetor 25 points26 points  (5 children)

Most of the time the two artists wouldn't even meet each other. They just send tracks back and forth instead of spending studio time together. I was disappointed when I learned this a few years ago. I always imagined all of these artists grinding it out in the studio together, bouncing ideas of each other, and creating something amazing.

[–]tasteywheat 19 points20 points  (2 children)

I remember hearing this same thing years ago on TV when B.o.B was big, and they asked him what it was like working with Hayley Williams, and he was like “oh, I’ve never actually met her before...”

[–]CactusCustard 10 points11 points  (1 child)

Lol that one song he had about airplanes that everyone in middle school liked because it showed everyone how deep you were and hurting inside.

Seriously. That song was fucking huge for like a whole month.

[–]orangeriskpiece 5 points6 points  (1 child)

Eminem makes artists who are doing guest spots on his songs to come to the studio to write and record with him, so he knows they aren't using ghost writers. Even made Kendrick do this when they collaborated on MMLP2

[–]nickja32 2 points3 points  (0 children)

It might not be that he is great to work with but more along the line of getting their name into a new group of people. Ed Sheeren and Eminem don't have the same fan base(for the most part). So for Ed to do a track with Eminem he breaks into a new crowd.

[–]qigger 15 points16 points  (1 child)

I like the hook feature songs at first but they always seem to peak quickly and feel disposable over time.

I've followed him since Slim Shady LP and I laugh at him insulting Moby for being 36 and now Em is dropping albums at 45 still.

[–]Youreprobablygay 5 points6 points  (0 children)

I'm pushing 30 you're kicking 40's door down

[–]v0yev0da 7 points8 points  (0 children)


Great song.

[–]clit_or_us 464 points465 points  (12 children)

So the FCC won't let me be

or let me be me so let me see.

They tried to shut me down on MTV

but it feels so empty without me.

[–]Nyf1nest 35 points36 points  (0 children)

2 CEOs lobbying outside, lobbying outside, lobbying outside

[–]reddit_user33OC: 1 102 points103 points  (7 children)

Mildly topical.

[–]leo_the_lion6 90 points91 points  (5 children)

True, now the FCC won't let US be

[–]Pandabarrel 60 points61 points  (2 children)

They try to shut down our porn machines.

[–]Bahamabanana 89 points90 points  (1 child)

But it feels so empty without memes

[–]gregorious13 24 points25 points  (0 children)

One of my favorite lines of his.

[–]SasquatchUFO 154 points155 points  (56 children)

Every time a new Em album comes out I go back and listen to his classics which just makes the new shit sound even worse by comparison. Damn he was so good back in the day. Am I old?

[–]mezbot 126 points127 points  (9 children)

Hailey is 21 years old now...

[–]MeloneFxcker 92 points93 points  (2 children)

and shes fiiiiiiiittttttt

[–]Followmecuz2 39 points40 points  (1 child)

You’ve just been kicked off of Shade45

[–]LoreoCookies 39 points40 points  (4 children)

23 here, and I remember growing up listening to the songs he wrote for her, thinking there was a little girl out there like me who was so loved.

In my head she's still a little girl even though I'm a grown woman now.

[–]strangenamegame 49 points50 points  (7 children)

To me it's not bad, it's different and as we grow older our taste change and the artists also change their style because doing the same shit over and over(similar to people hating their dull 9-5 jobs) can drive a person crazy.

[–]SasquatchUFO 33 points34 points  (6 children)

I think it's pretty fucking bland. Some of it's ok but it just sounds like he has no idea what to do. I think part of the issue is that Em was never like Kanye or even Kendrick where he'd have some unified idea for an album that he could deliver on in a dope way, but instead just powered through with dope ass lyricism, like most 90s rappers. Only now he doesn't have as much to say, his shock shtick is worn out, and he doesn't have the attention to really feel like he's warring with anyone or anything.

[–]gianflavio 12 points13 points  (1 child)

He should go on a pilgrimage, experience some shit and then write new cool stuff

[–]AlwaysTexan 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Who shot Pac ft. Eminem

[–]jcb088 18 points19 points  (3 children)

Bro I couldn't agree more. Back in the early 2000s he had such a point to make about music in America, censorship, everything surrounding that topic. He held a mirror up to a lot of the hypocrisies and made clever observations of everything that surrounded him (and us) along the way. Before that he established his identity to America on the Slim Shady LP and established his identity to whoever would listen on albums before even that.

After the Eminem Show he just slowly lost purpose. I used to listen to him a lot as a teenager. I was the type to scrape the internet (limewire, Kazaa, torrents, etc) for his tracks, mixtapes, songs he dropped in rap feuds, battles, anything really. I learned the songs I liked and tried to appreciate the ones I didn't.

I fell out of love with hip-hop for a while (too many generic rappers and the advertised values of hip-hop are pathetically shallow) and started getting interested again about 3 or 4 years ago. I went back to listen to Slim and all of his new shit is just pointless. Even if I like it (which, unfortunately I don't because he does this weird singing thing for 3 albums now) I just don't care about it.

He reminds me of a solider who's war is over and just.... has no idea who to be outside of what he was. I'd love to see him find some new purpose in his music and write wraps about something that matters (but is also true to him).

[–]wild_man_wizard 37 points38 points  (2 children)

Eminem is at his best when he's angry, but he just hasn't had much to be mad about since he became a millionaire with a stable family life.

Supposedly he's pissed about Trump, hopefully that fuels some good material.

[–]tarheels90 14 points15 points  (0 children)

I know a lot of people didn't like the freestyle because of its atypical flow, but i though it was fire and really delivered the message. He's pissed.

[–]WhoahCanada 36 points37 points  (9 children)

MMLP2 was good though...

[–]effedup 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Yeah I liked MMLP2.. Although I really only liked the extended version because those extra tracks are what do it for me.

[–]MonkeyNews247 15 points16 points  (7 children)

Listen to the slim shady LP. I can sit and listen to the whole thing and love it. His new album I doubt I can do the same. It's just pop rap now

[–]321159 40 points41 points  (0 children)

"Oh, he's too mainstream."
Well, that's what they do when they
get jealous, they confuse it
"It's not hip-hop, it's pop,"
because I found a hella way to fuse it

[–]SasquatchUFO 14 points15 points  (2 children)

Just listened to MMLP all the way through. So many great songs and so many memorable lines. Definitely his best album IMO.

[–]ClubChaos 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Trainspotting got it right.

It takes a truly exceptional artist to withstand the sands of time, Eminem is not one of those artists.

[–]phza784 16 points17 points  (5 children)

I get that he is in his 40's and isn't going to be rapping about all the crazy shit he used to, but his lyrics are just so corny now. Full of the kind of inspirational quotes that teenage girls post on facebook.

[–]SasquatchUFO 10 points11 points  (3 children)

I think the worst part is it's a mix of teenage-girl-facebook shit and just super corny-wannabe-edgy stuff. Like all those Michael J. Fox jokes on Recovery. Like yeah, we get it. He has Parkinsons. It makes him shake. Cool.

[–]TheBold 6 points7 points  (7 children)

As someone who doesn’t listen to rap, what is a «hook feature»? I did some research online and while it’s obviously some sort of «hook», I don’t understand how one would say « HA, listen, a hook feature!».

[–]harrypotamus 5 points6 points  (6 children)

A hook feature is a different artist featuring on the track for only the hook (the hook is basically a spoken chorus or repeated sentence between verses). Think Nate Dogg on Shake That (although he does do some rapping). For an example of a song without a hook, try the appropriately named No Hook by Jay Z.

[–]secondnameIA 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Bonus points: "What the Hook Gon' Be" by Murphy Lee features, in the hook, the line "we ain't got no hook on this beat".

[–]reddit_user33OC: 1 59 points60 points  (13 children)

Is the feature breakdown in terms of time or tracks? If it's tracks, i feel like the data is skewed. A 30 second skit is not equal to a 3-5 minute song.

Features over time? One that's a bad title. Secondly, what are the values?

[–]Leeiteee 80 points81 points  (10 children)

This is the part where the rap breaks down

[–]Pandabarrel 28 points29 points  (9 children)

It gets real intense, no one makes a sound.

[–]Ysuran 24 points25 points  (8 children)

Everything looks like it's 8-mile now

[–]OurSuiGeneris 8 points9 points  (0 children)

The beat comes back and everybody lose themselves

[–]PaulyWithADolly 15 points16 points  (0 children)

It has to be tracks and not total times. There's no way that The Eminem Show was 25% skits.

[–]Choccybizzle 6 points7 points  (2 children)

I’m really surprised how many people don’t know what a skit or a hook is, I suppose as a hiphop fan I’ve just picked up these terms but I thought they were more common.

[–]hesaidshutup 74 points75 points  (33 children)

I've never understood why people want to listen to skits on an album of music. I find it really annoying and it ruins the listening experience for me. So. Much. Skittery.

[–]adamsandleryabish 10 points11 points  (0 children)

you dont like Ken Keniff (Skit)????????? you are weird

[–]fibojoly 32 points33 points  (3 children)

Someone said it above: it adds context to the song, storytelling. I like to think of it as in-character notes by the artists, a Director's commentary of a sort. A bit like some artists liked to have notes and lyrics right there in the album, when physical albums were still a thing.

Some of that shit is downright brilliant. To this day I still can't get the skit intro to Strippers (Body Count's Violent Demise album). Feck all the skits in that album are just great. The intro to the album is exactly what I'm talking about : a big fuck you to all the critics of Body Count, delivered in person by Ice T. I never knew I would enjoy this sort of stuff until I got that album. It would leave a great big gap if you removed them.

[–]ox_ 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Yes - it's like being forced to watch a film with the director's commentary turned on every time. It might be interesting or funny the first time you hear it but by the second time, it's fucking infuriating and gets in the way.

I think the biggest awful skit to great song imbalance is Wu Tang: 7th Chamber or MF Doom - Beef Rap.

[–]thunder_struck85 2 points3 points  (0 children)

While I agree that Eminems skits were great I also dislike them as a whole for the fact that the album on shuffle no longer makes sense. Especially when one song/skit feeds into the next. Dr. Dre's 2001 was especially bad for this. Great album. Terrible in a shuffle list.

[–]Poppin__Fresh 12 points13 points  (17 children)

Especially when you're shuffling a playlist and suddenly have to sit through a 60-second skit before the next track can play.

[–]uhuhuhu 62 points63 points  (12 children)

If you listen to albums on shuffle, you deserve it.

[–]J3acon 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Many of the album's with skits were released before shuffling songs was a common practice.

[–]imax_ 5 points6 points  (2 children)

Don't know about other players, but iTunes let's you mark songs to not be played on shuffle and it carries onto my phone as well.

[–]PhilipTerryGraham 5 points6 points  (2 children)

Most of Eminem's albums are cathartic in nature, and this is emphasised on albums such as The Marshall Mathers LP through the skits. For example, the first track, a skit, is a big 'fuck you' to all the people critical of the violent and offensive nature of his lyrics on his previous albums. The "Steve Berman" skit on the album serves as a contextual introduction to "The Way I Am", with a mock conversation about the controversy of his music, leading into a song where he expresses his anger towards those who oppose his way of expressing himself.

[–]Lanaryx 6 points7 points  (0 children)

You can clearly see that something changed between Relapse and Recovery. The amount of Hook Features went through the roof and hasn't chnaged back since. To me, this was also the moment when Em started making less "underground" music, and he fell off quite a lot. I'll choose old Em over new Em any day of the week, but that's just my opinion.

[–]PerkiSystem1796 3 points4 points  (2 children)

What did you use to create the charts and summarize the data prior to building the indesign info graphic? I’m a data analyst and my wife is a graphic designer so I would love to tee up some data for her to Create things like this.

[–]rootfridge 25 points26 points  (14 children)

not an eminem fan but im surprised at the amount of skits in these albums. especially how he only has one without.

[–]hundred100 75 points76 points  (10 children)

Three reasons. First, in the 90s, skits were HUGE in rap. He’s still a product of that era. Second, his crazier and/or more introspective songs required context. Skits bridged gaps between songs on his albums. Finally, he’s always been a storyteller. His skits used to break out mid-song and it was somehow seamless.

I’d love to read what percentage of The Fugees’ The Score, and Wu Tang’s 36 Chambers were just skits. Those albums had a skit on damn near every song.

[–]GourangaPlusPlus 17 points18 points  (1 child)

Even Good Kid M.A.A.D City had a ton appended onto songs

[–]ClassicSchmosby1 11 points12 points  (0 children)

GKMC and TPAB both had skits appended to almost every song. They're narrative hip-hop.

[–]Shaolin_Hunk 14 points15 points  (3 children)

Hey yo Meth where mah killa tape at??!

[–]PirateMud 5 points6 points  (1 child)

Is a skit what the extended bit at the start of M.E.T.H.O.D Man is?

[–]hundred100 10 points11 points  (0 children)

Yup. Sometimes they’re their own separate track. But it’s common to see a skit intro into a song.

[–]username1615 43 points44 points  (0 children)

Em has always been huge on skits. I guess he’s now huge on pop hooks.

[–]SAT0725 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I really wish he'd re-record "Relapse" without that accent. Some of the songs were actually pretty good if he'd have just done them without the stupid voice.

[–]OiRatBastard 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I've always felt like Recovery is where Eminem decided to embrace the commercial mainstream with his content.

Kind of satsifying to see the difference in structure being made clear.

[–]StottyEvo 36 points37 points  (46 children)

Hopefully he's dropped that awkward disjointed flow he's picked up, IMO he hasn't made a good song since the Encore album

[–]PaulyWithADolly 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Based on the first single, he hasn't.

[–]BadassEng 6 points7 points  (10 children)

Ok, for the non hip-hop heads, what is a "Skit" ? I guess a "Hook feature" is another artist singing in the "hook" of eminem's song. But I have no clue what a Skit means ...

[–]Gcarsk 8 points9 points  (6 children)

Skits are basically story’s. Like a play but only the dialog. Not a song

Edit:here is a bunch of his

[–]SuperSaiyanWes 9 points10 points  (4 children)

The Skit on the Criminal song is my favorite one :)

[–]harrypotamus 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Come back, shoot the eye-witness

[–]tastar1 2 points3 points  (0 children)

fire at the private eye hired to pry in my business.

his rhymes are insane.